Board of Trustees Work Session

Good evening, and welcome to our first budget work session

• for the 02/2627

• budget.

• Our first meeting will be this evening with the Department of Public Works. But before we get to that,

a special update on the Waterman break. Sure. Thank you, Matthew. So, yeah, this afternoon,

• about 01:45,

• we we started receiving

• many phone calls at the DPW office regarding,

• people all around the village actually experiencing

• no water.

• It's funny. Just a few minutes before that, one of our DPW staff was driving down Alcott and called the water department. It was kinda like, you guys might wanna come down here and take a look at this. So they they they went down. We were able to locate it pretty quickly.

• We found a leak on Olcott between Radnor

• and Van Cortland.

• So they were actually able to

• isolate that leak. We have valves at both intersections

• that held, thankfully, so we shut those. We isolated that that leak. So

• once that happened, it it took thirty or forty five minutes, but the rest of the system was able to sort of energize up so people had everybody else had water. Unfortunately, that block is,

• was left without water.

• We started excavating.

• Around 03:30,

• we found the water main pipe,

• which was interesting. There was a,

• I think that, the board has seen some pictures.

• Basically, half the half of the pipe was was blown off,

• with a couple of, service lines right there.

• So, we immediately started cleaning up the area and making the repair.

• Currently, they are working on

• the,

• repair piece

• with, both new service lines go in.

• I'm hoping in the next couple hours, the the the

• repair will be completed. The water will be turned back on, and then we can convene in backfilling and restoring the area.

• So it was a it was a fun afternoon. A lot going on,

• but we were able to jump on it pretty quickly and and at least isolate the area

• right away.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Yep. Thanks for everyone that worked on. Would you, wanna take a guess at the age of pipe at the or is it the

So

• the age of the infrastructure in the area is nineteen o eight.

• So we're thinking that's Yep. Yep. I I didn't go back and look at if that those were one of the original mains, but

• it it

• It could well be. It could very well be. Oh, yeah. It looked like. Is it iron? Or It's cast iron pipe. Yeah.

Yeah.

• And the new ones, you know, are

They're ductile iron. Fiberglass

• plastic.

• Or No. They will be replacing with a ductile iron section. Yep. Yep. With, two new copper

• Yeah. Service lines.

Because, you know, you hear you know, we we typically talk about 100 year old infrastructure,

but this is more than Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be well

• over a 100 years. Yeah. 20.

Okay.

Very good. And with that, we return to the budget. So we get to kick off the budget season again, which is exciting.

• So, you know, as we've done in in years past, we have, I think, it's 16

• line items in the budget itself that we go through.

• So I like to just sort of hit each line item, explain what that light item funds for the fiscal year,

• and sort of hit the main points of what the differences are between last year's adopted budget and this year's proposed budget.

• As always, if there are any questions, please just just shout them out, and we can, we can discuss them as as we go.

• So the first,

• line item is,

• sixteen twenty.

• So sixteen twenty is maintenance of public buildings.

• That funds the maintenance of the municipal building as where as well as the building down in municipal place.

• This line item decreased by $7,550,

• and the main reason for that is we had put that money in this year

• to renovate the 2nd Floor bathroom.

• After some discussions, we're actually gonna be revamping the

• we're we're hoping to be revamping the engineering slash building department,

• which would also include

• the bathroom.

• So we can we are gonna secure some of those funds for this year so that we can that helps us with with next year's,

• hopeful hopefully, capital,

• budget for that project.

• The next one is $16.40,

• and that's the central garage.

• So that's that funds the repair and maintenance for the DPW

• facility.

• The proposed budget this year has a line this line item decreasing by $9,725.

• And the main reason for that was the last year we funded the air duct cleaning for the DPW facility, which was completed,

• and

• very much needed it to after we saw it came out.

• So that was completed, and this is something that we'll schedule every five years.

• So we can we can take it off the books this year,

• in the next few years.

So that helps. Superintendent, is a a five year duct cleaning, the right number for every every public every municipal building? Like Yeah. And and that's we we got the

most of the duct companies have told us that that's a pretty good schedule to keep. So that that's sort of what we're we're going on. I I should know this, do we include the fire stations in that? Yeah. So They were the first group that we Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So we try to rotate it around. They're they're done Yes. Within the five year cycle. We did the we did the three firehouses

two years ago. Mhmm. Last year, we did this building. Yep. And this year, we did DPW. Yeah. This

is on the central garage. Right? Yep. The fuel, gasoline, and diesel? Yes. Is that

• for the equipment in the central garage? Or That's so that's

that funds all of the fuel and diesel for the village. Okay. So fire, police, DPW,

• village admin.

So it's everything. Because it looks like it's being held flat from

• the '26 original budget, and I was just curious given

• the fluctuations

• we're seeing. I mean, it might be temporary.

• Hopefully, it's Hope hopefully, yes. Yeah. So that's You know, but we're there's just some vulnerability

• there. And I was wondering, is there a contingency?

Well, we have I mean, we have contingency funding, right, in the budget that we're slating to increase.

• Mhmm. So, you know, if these if the costs remain elevated

• Mhmm. We could potentially have to supplement what's budgeted

• with some of the funds from contingency.

• But,

• you know, we're we're kind of hoping that

• things settle down and the pricing

• returns to its

• Yeah. Normal levels.

Mhmm. As we go through, there there is a few items like that in our budget where we sort of we take the previous few years and try to estimate what we're gonna be doing next year. The

• fuel and diesel is is one of them. Mhmm.

I guess we'll see an increase in

• April and May,

you know Yes. Potentially. Yeah. And that that's in this current budget. Right? So Right. You know, I mean, we can always see, you know, before we adopt the budget on April 22, if there are signs that things won't settle down, we could always add a little bit more into that line if we felt it was prudent. Mhmm.

Okay.

• Thank you. Yep.

Next one's thirty three ten traffic control.

• So this is,

• this funds for, traffic related items, obviously, such as the parking spot repair, painting,

• traffic signal repair, center line painting,

• etcetera.

• This increased by $1,500,

• and this is mainly in the 4,200

• line. We added, funding for,

• for supplies to offset the cost of, like, signs and posts.

• We've been replacing and installing signs and,

• you know, material prices, unfortunately, are rising. So Yeah. We're we're budgeting for that. If we if we came up with

both some more ideas on bike related stuff and and funding for it, it would go in this category. Correct. Yep. Yep.

And the funding that's there now, is is that

• what do we use for that? Is that to

• potentially for another location?

Yeah. For no. Two more hubs,

• but, you know, those are paid for by by project mover. And there's there's, you know, there there's always

• some infrastructure funding out for more signage

that we can put up. Yeah. But not the signage is not necessarily is not directly correlated with project mover. It's more like share the road Yep. Signs with yeah. Yep. Yes. So the I mean, what another thing that's in this line is the annual funding for the bike pedestrian committee Mhmm. For, like, the slowdown crowding signs.

Okay. So Thank you. Yep.

And, you know, theoretically,

• lanes

Uh-huh. Basically are yeah. All that. Yeah. All of those items would come out of this this, line. Mhmm.

• The next one we have is animal control.

• So this one because we we

• distribute

• dog permits,

• we're required to have animal control, an animal control officer.

• We have two,

• in in DPW.

• So whenever they're called out for

• a dog,

• they go out and and and,

• you know, assess

• whatever that's in. Nine times out of 10, the the owner has already come out and and retrieved the the animal. Mhmm. But so this went up by $500,

• and this is mostly because of the the software and annual maintenance costs that's required for this has gone up. Mhmm.

And I always like I always like to point out that the

• revenue that we bring in from dog licenses

• more than covers Right. The cost of this. Because the frequency

is relatively low in terms of Yeah. The yeah. I mean,

most of the I would say, probably, we pay the most money out of here for the contract with the shelter,

• right, which we're hoping that we're not gonna need going forward. Yeah. But we're not ready to commit to that at this point. Right? We're still looking into that? Or Yeah. So we have so the way it works is when when we're called for an animal, we go out and,

for a dog. We we go out and, if the dog is still there, we take it.

• Currently, we take it to a shelter, and they scan it and make sure everything's okay and try to contact the owner.

• To sort of defer some of that cost, we we have an area set up in in DPW where we can bring the animal, we're allowed to bring it there for twenty four hours. Mhmm.

• And we're actually getting a scanner so we could actually if this if the dog has a chip, we can scan it, and it'll have the owner information on it.

• After twenty four hours, that's when that's when it gets a little

• a little more complicated in that you have to bring it to a vet or or something like that. I've been here nine years. We've never, once we've gotten to that point where it's been more than twenty four hours.

• So it's it's very rare.

• It's very rare that we even bring the dog in.

• So,

• but we do have to be set up,

• with the state with a plan to make sure that we can have that happen if we if we need to. And are are you getting calls for the dead birds as well? We've gotten a few. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

So this budget would cover that. I mean, I hope we don't continue

• to see that. Yeah.

We yeah. I mean, the This this covers animal removal. So whether it's a bird or if it's a deer that's hit by a car Right. Something that that all comes out of this Mhmm. This line. Mhmm.

• So

Thank you. Next

one is $50.10. So that's public works

• administration.

• And that's salary

• and contractual expenses

• for DPW admin staff. So that would be

• for myself, Scott, and and and Mike,

• and John who's

• not here. Mhmm. This increased by $14,508.

• And the majority of this is is due to

• salary increases for both union and nonunion personnel.

• So that's where actually, throughout, you'll see some of the salaries have gone up.

• That's where a bulk of these some of these increases have come from.

Is the TBD skilled laborer

• a new role?

Or No. So well, so we've,

• recently promoted

• one of our skilled laborers to driver. We had a driver that

• retired.

• Mhmm. So that vacancy

• was was there. We

• promoted one of our skilled laborers to that position. So, technically, that position is open. It's it it will be posted.

• Okay. So it's just the the way the budget

• season fell,

• it it was just, timing wise,

• it happens to be vacant

• now, but it

• it it we plan to fill it soon. Yeah. Great. Okay.

Yeah. The the head count at DPW is not proposed to increase.

And that's across all 17 budgets?

• Because I I Correct. Yeah. Okay. Yep. They all connect. Yeah. I know. Sure. Through some sewage piping and

• okay.

So the next one is fifty one ten. So that's street maintenance.

• So the way, we budget salaries at DPW, they're all budgeted in the fifty one ten items. So all, you know, all the DPW staff is budgeted here.

• Through the year,

• depending on the, you know, on their payroll, depending on what department they're working for, the budget is then, distributed to that correct line item as the year goes on. It's just sort of a cleaner way to budget it because then you're just guessing on different line items on what they're gonna be. This way, you just put them all in and we'll distribute it further down the

• the the year.

Yeah. That's and I I understand that. I appreciate that. I I found it hard to follow, like, to know whether there was an increase or not

• year to year because this is the way that this budget is, it's just the 27 number

• with everybody. You know, when in the version that has years prior so you could look at trends,

• it's hard to tell whether it was going up or down or overall.

Yeah. I mean, you really can just look at from street maintenance, right, from what's budgeted

• in

• the original budget, right, from the original budget of '26

• to the tentative budget of '27 because that's that would show you what is,

• you know, what what the salaries and and benefits were for 2026

• compared to what's being proposed for 2027.

So, I mean, you know But in a lot of those, they had the personnel

as zero because No. I'm saying in in street maintenance, that's where you have to look because that's where everybody's budgeted. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. So because that yeah. If you look in the original budget for street maintenance, that would show yeah.

Thank you.

You know, that we we it's very difficult. It would be very difficult for us to try to come up with a number to put in each one of the 16

• Yeah. Lines because

• we don't know if we're gonna have six water main breaks or no water main breaks or if we're gonna have a storm that brings down 50 trees or if we you know, right? I mean, it's And snow. And and snow. Exactly.

• So it it's just

• based on years of experience,

• it's

• determined that doing it this way is the easiest way

to to budget. Yeah. That's the easiest way to keep track Right. For sure. Okay.

• So this got increased by $64,691,

• which,

• almost 60,000 of that is is the salary

• increases

• for all of the employees listed under that that line item.

• The other the other sort of significant increased cost is just cost of materials

• going up every year. So,

• unfortunately, we have to

• account for that in in this budget.

• Next one is $51.40

• brush and weeds.

• So

• this is where,

• our seasonal

• employees come from. So in the summer,

• we do hire,

• seasonal help Mhmm. To

• mostly,

• mow

• grass and help us because that those are tasks that sort of take us away from our our our

• our

• I don't wanna say main focus, but our other our our other focus there.

• So

• we actually increased this

• by 12,400

• this year. Mhmm.

• We're hoping to get

• more staff or either more staff or have them for longer Yeah. Through

• the summer because,

• you know, it's easy to get it's easy to get to fall behind a little bit on this stuff. Mhmm. So we're looking to get a little more

time management. A vast area that we're responsible for. I mean, just just the river walk along alone, right, is three miles of constant

trimming. Yeah. So You basically finish. You gotta start start from the beginning. Yeah. It it's it's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And superintendent, the last couple of years, you've been okay in terms of getting the personnel you need or in short or

We've always been we've always,

• been okay,

• getting. We you know, I feel like we could always use one or two more more guys in the summer. So this year, I went to the school, and I did, like, a DPW

seminar

• on summer help for the students. So the superintendent

• of students over there contacted me, and we put together a little

• slideshow,

• and and they had a, a Tiger Tuesday where they

• bring in some outside people, and they and the kids break down into different classes. They could sign up, and they can learn about some different stuff. So kinda went there,

• promoted what we do, what they do, and we got ended up, I think, with four or five applicants out of that, from the school Uh-huh. That wanna participate and come and work for the subprime. So it was very it was successful. It was a good 18 and above to do the work or or 16? Six 16 and above. 16 and above. Yeah. Yeah.

It turned out to I mean, we didn't

• really intend it this way. It turned out to be a nice Yeah. Recruitment tool. Because, you know, most people don't don't know, you know, what the village does or what it offers or or what opportunities

• are. Right? So that was a good way to to to sort of get it out there and Yeah. And and

• get

Kids interested. Do you and it's Summerfest. Do you promote that as well? Or So we do have a booth. Yeah.

We do have a booth at at Summerfest usually.

• So, yeah, we we try to get all our, you know, projects out there and all the information out there on what we do. Next

• one is $51.42

• snow removal. So

• we use this one, this line item, quite a bit this year, unfortunately.

• Yeah.

• There there was some snow that we that we removed for sure. We increased this one by $20,000.

• So the overtime

• section of this line item was was increased.

• Number one, for because the higher salaries, right, that means the higher overtime rates. So the funding for for the snow removal has to be has to be increased.

• We also added

• funding for equipment repair

• under this line item too.

So do you think it's I mean, I know you did your best, and you obviously feel comfortable with that number. It just it was lower than I

• I would have thought because we we went we went over

The the

• so much this year. The 27 proposed? Or Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know What can you do? It's You can't you you can't budget for extremes.

• You know, this, I think, by any stretch was an extreme year.

• Right? And so I was just actually, while you were speaking, Christine Akhtar, I was pulling up. We hadn't we hadn't changed the 60,000

• number since 2017.

• And so

• Okay. So that far back And gave back money in a Yeah. Right. I mean, you know, you can you see years. Right. You can see in some of the years, you know, in 2020,

• we only spent 39,000

• in snow over time.

• In and then in 2021,

• we spent a 121,000.

• Right? And then in 2023,

• we spent 33,000

• in snow over time.

• And,

• you know, now this year, we're at 286,000.

• Right? So it's

• we're

• we tried to

• recognize as the superintendent said that

• the rates have increased, and so

• this number should increase as a base.

• But we also don't want to

• budget needlessly,

• right, and have all this extra money in there that's

• Mhmm. Potentially not going to be needed.

So Does something happen because there was a state of emergency?

Yeah. We're we're hoping for the we're hoping for the blizzard that we will get a FEMA

• declaration.

• I actually sent in the spreadsheet today.

• So, yeah. So we're hoping that, you know, some of those extreme costs will be reimbursable.

• So that's that will hopefully help with some of that over time.

And DPW is hoping that we don't get another winter next year like we did this year. Yeah. We'll

• let you know what's on. Yeah. I hope there's plenty of money left in this one next year.

• Oh, Yeah.

• $51.82

• street lighting.

• So this is the maintenance and repair street lights.

• This remained unchanged.

• So this is, you know, when street lights get hit and need to be

• replaced or sometimes they'll just break down. This is where all that those funds come from.

Do you know what percentage are is LED?

I think they are all LED except for

• In town here. Yeah. In the Upper Village? The Upper Village. Yeah. And

the ones that were placed, we're placing on half of the day now. They're all LED. Thank you. Yep. Those will be LED.

Yep. And you realize cost savings from the LED when

For usage so the way street lights work is that we actually have a flat rate for each for each light through NYPA.

• I don't know. Is are they adjusted for LED? I don't think they're are they adjusted for LED? They are adjusted for LED. Yeah. So there is a savings.

Okay. Yeah. Most of them already are. But the upper village, it's really a design issue. It's because of the nature of those lights.

Actually, Mike's been here long, and I don't know why they didn't

When we replaced them back so many years ago, LED didn't come out yet. Induction was the the newest thing that replaced the

• metal halide lights. So that's why they we changed them over to the induction system. And that only lasted a couple of years, and then LED came out and that's Okay. We start changing. And the ones on Half Moon Bay, those were induction. Correct? Those were inductions. Correct. So, I mean, in in theory, we could look in a future year to convert. What's their life cycle? Yeah. Few more years or something?

The induction? Yeah.

I don't I can I don't know? Eventually, once you get there. Yeah. I mean, it's something we could look at, especially if we're if we're looking to do other

• streetscape

elements in the village in the upper village. Yeah. And at this point, there's so few of them compared to the all the street lights that we have that Yeah. I think it's a It's not make it's not making a huge difference. Exactly. Yeah. Mhmm.

• Next

• one is seventy one ten

• Parks.

• So this is where all the funding for the maintenance of our,

• parks and upgrades come from.

• This was actually decreased

• overall by 400 doll $420.

• So

• the main changes here were in the 4,000 line for contractual.

• The aeration

• system maintenance was decreased,

• but the we added additional porta sands for Vesala and Govea where we have we didn't have them before. Now we have year round porta sands in both of those parks.

• So that funding comes out of this line.

• And then we also,

• increased the funding for the park improvement line for maintenance of fencing and and lighting,

• and and signs because that, you know, that's coming up more every year. So we Yeah. We we put more funding in there for those items as well.

That that specifically, that was,

• something that the recreation advisory committee was was looking for because they have some maintenance items that they would like to see

• addressed Mhmm. In in terms of, like, you know, beautifying

• some of the fencing and and the signage and stuff like that. So Mhmm. We wanted to try to be able to accommodate that. Sounds

Okay.

Next one is celebration seventy five fifty celebrations.

• This was increased by $4,346.

• And the main the main change on this one was funds were added to the annual celebrations for the boards and committee,

• line.

Do you think we have enough for all the two hundred and fiftieth

• celebrations

• that

• might be going on. Yeah.

I mean, I I am not sure what Yeah. I mean, I think I I we have money in there for our Independence Day celebration,

• is probably not going to take place on Independence Day, but it will be in the vicinity of.

• And,

• you know, some of the other things, you know, I know we we're hoping to do a tree planting, which we'll probably just do during the regular,

• you know, regular day.

• So it won't require any additional

• overtime.

• So I I think we're I think we're pretty much we're pretty much covered with what we wanna do for that.

Sorry.

• We're just flipping through.

• K.

• Next one's eighty ninety, the recycling program.

• So this is both for our

• material recycling as well as our leaf program.

• So overall, this was increased by $5,338.

• The overtime funding was increased

• for this line.

• Again, because of the base salaries going up, the overtime rate goes up. And this hasn't gone up, since was it 2018?

• We've actually been,

• it was at 95,000

• for

for a while. Then it went to a 100, and then it went to Yeah. Thousand $0.05.

And,

• our

• now that we've bought the sheds to expand the

• food scrap program,

• that's really all the additional cost we should have,

• larger volume there. Because the the Yes. It shouldn't because the county is not gonna increase. They'll increase other things, but they don't they're not gonna increase

• that. So so we're we're covered on the expense. Yeah. We had the shed. We, you know, we needed some extra containers or whatnot, but once the upfront material cost is The the notice went out, I think, about three or four days ago. So we'll

• see how much more interest we have. Okay.

Next one is $81.40.

• That's the storm sewer repair line.

• This,

• this actually

• the

• MS four program, our storm water program through the m through the DEC is funded through this.

• Last year, they made some changes to that program, which we're working through now.

• So that all comes out of this line item as well.

And how come there's a separate budget from the sewer fund?

• You know?

Well, this this is storm sewer for, like, storm water, and the sewer fund is sanitary sewer Gotcha. For wastewater. Yep. Thank you.

Well, next one is 86 $81.60,

• refuse collection and disposal.

• This was increased by $12,000.

• So,

• you know, we collect we collect all the the garbage throughout the village, and we actually bring it to the

• the the plant.

• And that county

• county charges us for And where is that? In Peekskill. In Peekskill. Mhmm. Yeah.

• So those tipping fees, as they're called, have gone up by the county, so that's

reflected in this in this in this budget here. They've they've they've gone up substantially. Yeah. I know. So, I mean, last year, we raised our commercial garbage fees that we charge the businesses,

• to try to recoup some of that increase,

• but it's still

• it's still costing us a significant

• amount of money more than what it was.

Know

• I talked about this last year.

• I'm so skeptical about recycling. I love the idea of recycling. I think it's fantastic,

• but I think that

• I don't

• I'm I'm cure you know, I just I'm I'm very curious about how we're are we sorting things correctly? Are you know, because everything really can't be recycled,

• or or is that not true? Like, now all plastic

• can just is everything can go now?

• Well, it has to have the code on it. Yeah. It has to have the code on it. Most I just wonder how efficient we are in our recycling because every you know, from on my street, every Wednesday when I see twice the trucks go twice Yeah. And pick it up. You know? And I just think about how not cleaned out those peanut butter jars are and is the is the is the

• the plastic right in here? You know, are things mixed up wrong? What happens with that load if it's not?

• I just

• this, you know, this is not really have to do with the budget or the recycling even, but, you know, it like, reducing the waste on the other end, and not just of the food scraps, but of that,

• you know, of the plastic consumption.

• So I guess I just wonder we can't we don't really know. Right? Because we just you guys collect it and bring it down. We bring it down. Now they're doing word about how They do inspect the loads as we're dumping them. And I'll say we've never gotten a load rejected.

Right. So they're accepting whatever we bring them. Right. Now,

• you know, is all the peanut butter out of the jar? I you know, I can't sit here and say, yes. Everything is fine.

I try. I'm not sure it's out of hours. I feel like one of the It's a long time. It does take a while. The the most important thing in in terms of the budget, right, is that we don't get charged for what we bring as recycling.

Yeah. We only get charged for solid waste. So we sort of get a you know, we don't we have a hunt we get an a plus in how we're doing with recycling

as a village. We do have a yeah. Okay. Whatever. I'm, like, maybe not the grading. There is just if and this is for the benefit of anybody that may be watching also. There is a municipal recycling,

• report card Right. That's on our website if you go to the DPW page that shows

• what our tonnage was in terms of solid waste, e waste, yard waste,

• food scraps. It's got all of that information on there. So if you're interested to see,

• I think we're we're right around 50%

• of all of our

• you know, the aggregate of everything we collect, 50% of it is recyclable.

• Okay. So

which I think is probably pretty pretty good. Right? I mean It's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we have to rely on

• the recycler. Right? I mean yeah.

• With with all that material

Right. It's tough to go through every single little piece of Yeah. You know. Right. Absolutely. Right. I just Yeah. You know, it is. And also, you know, some places have single stream, which is better because then it's all get I don't know how it gets sorted after that. You know? No one wants to hear me talk about recycling anymore. But I always every year when we talk about this or when I think about it, I just sort of think Yeah.

Yeah. The county doesn't allow for the for the single unfortunately. Right. It wouldn't be up to us. It would have to be that where we're taking it has to be. Yeah. Which is a good thing, actually. Because single stream,

• the product is actually not as good

because they do But they're only going once with the trucks. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't I don't know how to how to how you would weigh that out. You know? Are you is it or environmentally, is it better solve one? Truck quicker because you put more material in. Right? So Right. There's more trips to the plan. Stop. So

the Eighty one seven. Oh, sorry. Oh, the tipping fees. Yes. I know you mentioned they went up. They went up a little under 30%,

• I think, from, you know, year prior.

• Are we locked into a contract with the county? Is there competition

on this? So the county runs all of the the garbage programs, whether it be recycling,

• garbage, leaf collection.

• They

• run the program,

• and we we they come pick up what we have, basically.

So There's nowhere else to bring it. It has to go it has to go to the county facility.

• So

• yeah. It it's I I agree. It's that

• it was

• it was a very big increase last year. Yeah. And

• we should have budget we should have budgeted more last year, but we didn't know we didn't know what the impact was going to to be. So now that we have now that we have a better sense of it, you know, we're hoping that this one sixty number will be more on target. Yeah. So

And I I know we mentioned this the last time you spoke, but I would love to work with the right committee on

• some kind of mailer or, like, an education program because I don't I don't think most

• people in our village are not aware that

• if if they were to just move some things out of their disposal,

• you know, and put it into recycling,

• it could be saving or reducing

• our taxes and budget significantly.

• Like, cardboard is heavy. Yep. Mhmm. You know? And if someone is just dropping it in the waste

• as opposed to recycle,

right, I mean, it's part of this tipping fee. Yeah. The the schools have been historically pretty good about about that. Right? You get them you teach the kids, and they're usually pretty good, and they get pretty excited about it. We have to teach the adults. It's the adults. It's the adults.

On on that, not to not to complicate things further, but we're we're in the very early stages of a conversation with the schools about them coming into our composting program somehow or another. Great. We've we've agreed to talk. Significantly.

• Yes. We we've agreed to talk. Now we have to talk. Right. So but so it'll be it'll be a while. But, you know, it it it certainly makes sense. They would be. And, you know, particularly since there's more food there now because they're doing

• governor is paying, you know, for breakfast, lunch, and for everybody there. So

Yeah. It's a it's And just it's a goal. Yeah. And and just going back to what I said a little bit earlier,

• of that a 160,000,

• about a 100,000 of that is covered by our billing to the businesses.

• So we do we do cover more than half of that

• number

• through our our twice weekly pickup. But it's

• you know, prior to two years ago,

• we were covering almost all of our tipping fees through that

• through that commercial garbage pickup. And now it now it's It's shifting a bit. Now it's growing a little bit wider. Right. So Right.

Yeah.

• Thanks.

• Yep.

And the schools pay for

garbage pickup? They do not. And the churches pay for garbage pickup? The churches do. But the schools don't pay? This yeah. The the the the schools do not, and Half Moon Bay does not.

And is it typical Oh, the Half Moon Bay was because of the some arrangement

There's an agreement from swapping when went on Way back way back when, there's an agreement. I just don't want people watching thinking Yeah. They're getting some green lights.

Think they gave up land

or something.

• Yeah. Yeah.

There yeah. It had it there was a there was some sort of easement. There was there was agreement that was, you know, approved by the board at the time that allowed

• for

• garbage to be picked up at no charge. Well, and most municipalities

cover the cost of garbage pickup for schools.

I don't I don't know if that's I I haven't researched that. I don't know.

• Okay. Yep.

I'll add that to your list.

• Brian's long list

• things.

K.

• Next one is street cleaning, $81.70.

• So this funds the street sweeper repair and maintenance.

• This one had no change. Our street sweeper is, relatively new. It's it's doing a pretty good job. We do have some money in there for, you know, what it is a piece of equipment, so there are some maintenance and repair items that do come up through the year,

• but there hasn't been any change to this item.

• Next 01/2010,

• community beautification.

• So this is for the,

• the flowers and the planters that you see.

• This is for,

• Mary

• that comes around and she plants and takes care of all the all the, flowers around the village. And late breaking news, she actually is coming back this year. Oh, very nice. We weren't sure about that for a little bit, but, we did have a conversation with her the other day. So she's she will be back. Good.

I just have a question about that.

• You a resident had contacted

• me and just said that there was some sight line issues with

• driving

• from the trees that were planted in a in a circle.

• So I didn't know if

• does does

• that get to you through

• a form?

Or Mhmm. Or is there somebody that might be looking out for things like that? You know, like We certainly work you know, look out for stuff like that when we're driving around. But if there's a specific

• issue, then, yeah, absolutely. They can call us. There there's a they can go on the website, send us a message. Okay. Yeah. If there's a concern, for sure. Yeah. Okay. And

• the last one

• out of DPW operating anyway is

• eighty five sixty. That's the shade trees.

• So this is where we fund the trimming and removal and planting of of trees

• throughout the year.

• This one also stayed the same as last year. There was no change in this item.

• Okay.

• Next, we're gonna move to the water fund.

• So there are three sections in the water fund that we'll

• we'll review.

• First one being 80 f eighty three ten,

• and that's water administration.

• This is the salaries and contractual expenses for the administrative staff as pertaining to the water

• department.

• This was increased by $13,859,

• and then,

• that's mainly because of the the the salary change, the increase in the

• the staff

that's delegated to this line. Yeah. We it it's not

• salary increase is probably the wrong phrase here because what we did was the junior accountant in the finance department was previously assigned to the water department. And just based on the changing duties in the department,

• the

• second deputy treasurer

• really handles more of the water,

• water operations,

• scheduling appointments, and doing the billing and that sort of thing. So we

• moved her salary into the Water Fund and moved the junior accountant into the general fund.

Yep. Right. So it was more of a reassignment. Yeah. Correct.

• So then the the the other two, there's 83

• 8320,

• 8340.

• So 8320

• is source of supply. So that's basically

• everything that has to do with the well fields, the supply of the water. 8340

• is distribution,

• so that's the water system

• in the ground

• that we got a close-up view of today. So eighty three twenty source of supply,

• this was increased by $30,285.

• So the as everything else has increased, the the chlorine and the corrosion control additive,

• that's used at the well field,

• those prices have gone up quite a bit over the past few years.

• So most of the the addition to this line is because of that.

• And we also increased funding for maintenance

• of

• equipment at the web fields, the the pumps and the systems that that control the pumps.

• Then moving over to $83.40,

• which is the distribution side of the

• of the budget.

• This was increased by a $102,757.

• We went we we've been experiencing a decent amount of water breaks recently,

• very recently. Mhmm. And so

• we increased the overtime line in this item because that's where a lot of that that's where all that money comes from,

• obviously, outside of the normal working day.

Is that the 60,

• Corey?

The so the 1,200 line? Yes. That's the 60,000. Yep. Uh-huh.

• So

• we also added some funds in the 2,000 line,

• requesting to correlator system.

• Mhmm.

• So that's sort of a

• a

• a sort of up to date equipment

• to help when there is a water main break. A lot of times today, it was very obvious. Right? Because well, pretty obvious anyway. Saw it. Yeah.

• But a lot of times, there's a water main break, and, the water coming out of the ground could be 20 feet away from the actual break is.

• So the system we have now is is is,

• it's it's good. It's old or older.

• So when it first came out, it was pretty good, but now it's it's not as reliable as a correlator system.

• Basically, it can give you

• more of a pinpoint of where the break actually is Mhmm. Which saves a lot of time upfront Absolutely. Finding it. It also saves

• if, you know, if if you look at the the leak in the wrong spot,

• you're digging down, you uncover the main,

• that's not where the leak is, then you gotta try to figure out, alright. Maybe we're five feet that way, maybe five so you're just it also saves on a lot of the restoration work. Is this the one that does the video on the inside, or is that a different No. So this is more of a you you clip it onto two

• ends of the main Right.

• And you put in some parameters, size of the main, the length. Yep. And it basically it plots out,

• I guess, the sound. So wherever that spike is, that's where the main is. I mean, I'm sorry. That's where the break is on the main. Yep.

• So that with the sounding equipment that we're also,

• requesting

• Right. Can get us pretty much right on where the break is gonna be. Did we do some video work with with with the sewers or a contract or something like that? So, yes, we do, yes, we do have televising equipment for the sanitary sewer. Yes. Yep.

• And, also, in the 4,200 line, we added funding for the replacement of water meters.

• So most of the water meters that are that are in today

• were all placed in about the same time,

• which is nice because we got meters all at the same time. The problem with that is

• There you go. They're in the cycle at the same time. So we're

• running into a lot of those, especially when there's a billing cycle and you get a lot of no reads,

• which means the meet either the meter's bad or or the register on top of the meter's bad.

• So the water department's actually spending a decent amount of time now going through those and trying to figure out and trying to replace

• those.

• So we're we're budgeting for

• more meters to have on the shelf because these are these are coming up these are gonna be coming up quite a bit.

• There's a bunch of them winning at the same time, so we're we're planning on

• replacing

all of those, basically. Yep. We already I mean, during this fiscal year, we've already had to do two contingency transfers

• from the

• from the water fund contingency to buy more meters.

• So

• we're hoping that this increase in the funding will

• cover what we need for for the next year so we don't have to keep coming back for Right. And what is the

manpower

• It's a wrong word, but to to replace

the you know, what is the how long does it take? So it's always tricky. Right? Because there's the meter and there's a register on top that actually reads the

• so when you go in, you don't know if it's the meter or the register. So they'll go in. If it's just the register, then it could be, like, a fifteen, twenty minute fix.

• But if it's a meter, it's gonna be you know, you're looking at at least an hour because you gotta shut the water off in the house. You have to

• get to the meter, which not all meters are readily accessible, and then you have to get the meter off,

• which

• depending on where that location is, that might be a little tricky as well. So that's why scheduling these things gets tricky because you don't know if it's gonna be, hey, ten, fifteen minutes or we're there for an hour and a half, two hours.

Do you know,

• are are we conducting regular leak detection?

Yes. So there is an annual leak detection system on, leak detection survey on the system

• that a company will come in

and and make sure there's no large scale leaks that we that we because sometimes you don't see them. Right? Sometimes they'll go into right into a catch basin or something like that. There was actually this I remember this one very clearly from last year where the survey found one that was in the woods next to That's right. CET. That's right. It was in the you know, was in the woods of CET. No Yep. Nobody would ever know it was there. Right? Yeah. Right. You know? So but the survey was able to determine that that was ongoing, and we were able to fix it. Yeah. Because that'll save money. Yes. You know? Absolutely.

Does the school pay for

their water, or do we cover that? The school pays for their water. Yep.

Mhmm.

So now we're out of water and into the sewer. Oh, let me just ask more water questions because and I don't know if they if it's more capital discussion which Sure. Is at another time. Yep. Right? But given the recent breaks, you know, and I I remember, I think it was Christmas time or the holiday time. It was 10 degrees and there was a break and Mhmm.

• That was a miracle that you were able to your team was able to fix that.

• I just as we're going through this budget, and we know that even residents were,

• you know, willing to

• spend and invest in infrastructure.

• I just

• wanted to pressure test and make sure you feel like there's enough

• investment

• happening in this,

• you know,

• in asset age replacement

• or

• Yeah. So specific hotspot analysis

• or,

• you know, understanding

• leak detection,

• pressure management,

• things like that. You know? Just wanna make sure, like I know we're under budget constraints. We you know? But just wanna

• Yeah. Is there something out there that you guys feel or ladies feel you need?

So some of this equipment is is actually why it's in this budget this year is because we do sort of run a ramp up,

• replace, and upgrade some of our equipment that we do use for this leak detection and and,

• you know, for when there are leaks.

• In capital, as you as you said, we we have been

• cement lining

• our older

• water mains. So they go in, they clean out all the all the material that builds up in the water mains, they cement line it

• to help reduce

• the rust and the and the contaminants they get into the water main. Mhmm. So that's sort of been an ongoing

• program for I mean, since since before I started here. So past, well, I don't know, fifteen years.

• So we do sort of go through sections. And this year, actually, we're going through the design now for Lounsbury.

What would it have taken to have

• anticipated

• the leak or the break today? You know, nothing?

No. No. That that line was cement lined already.

• So that one was done, and it just happens. You know? Yeah. So

• with the miles of piping and and with all the piping that's in there, you know, the program that they're on now is

• is great, and it's one of these things that you you you're gonna deal with it the second

• it happens. Mhmm. And Mhmm. That's what we do. You know? You just you as long as you have the resources,

• you need to fix it when it happens. Yeah. And that's what we have to be able to do, and we can mobilize in a matter of, you know, minutes, and all the guys are there, and and they're ready to go. And then we just take care of it, you know. And, yeah, sometimes it's gonna be cold, and we've done them in the snowstorm. We've plowed and fixed the water main break in the same night.

Happens. But the guys and the team, they they do an amazing job. So Yeah. Yeah. They do. I mean, the most you can do is is is is is try to stabilize your current infrastructure,

• do leak detections,

• and and, you know, we flush our system twice a year. So we're we're doing all this sort of regular maintenance stuff,

• you know, sometimes

• Mhmm. Things happen. Plus it's design.

You know, when you just go to to to companies that do design for us for this stuff, it it's it's a the process is length. I mean, the the design phases The approvals is so long. And the county health department. Yeah. Yeah. So you're waiting The county health department is just overwhelmed

with work.

• So, I mean, we've been waiting for months now on Loudsbury

• to to get approvals.

• So And that's typical. That's And that's typical. It's not, you know, it's not they're not sitting on it. It's just

you know, when you when you submit it, you know it's gonna take six months. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You kinda submit it and and forget about it. It's not forget about it, but you know what I mean. Yeah.

So but just just to not tell it to your point,

• we we are planning to do Loudsbury.

• You know, hopefully, in this upcoming fiscal year, we'll have the approvals and we'll be able to go out to bid for that work. And then we've recently put in

• grant funding request to

• our two senators for

• federal

• grant for relining

• of Harrison Street.

• So,

• you know, we've been trying to get money for that project for a couple of years.

• And,

• you know, if we're not if we're unable to secure an outside source to fund that project

• when we're done with Lionsbury, that's probably gonna be the next one. And then we will

• even after that, when we already have other projects that we're looking at near

• near Washington engine firehouse.

• Mhmm. So,

• you know, there's we have a we have a a plan that we're following. Most of, you know, most of Harman has been relined. Right? That was done, you know, ten, fifteen years ago. That was the area where the water quality concerns were the were the highest. Mhmm. Right? And so,

• know, we're trying to hit the areas where we get complaints.

• Yep. So

Something sent out relatively recently where people was that about the water where people were supposed to send something in?

Oh, the lead service line replacement? Oh, yes. Yeah. That was that's for that's for your own in your house. Right? You know, to see what the on my Yeah. If

• you haven't filled that out yet, please send it in.

• Sorry. So

• but, yeah, that's that's the service line that runs from the water main to your to your house. Got it. Got it. Yep.

Okay. Thank you.

• K. And

then the the final line is the this in the sewer fund, G8120.

• So that it that funds well, the the the sewer line, mostly the salary and contractual expenses for for everything having to do with our sanitary sewers.

• This actually decreased by just over $1,000,

• and the main thing for that is we were been reducing the funding for the cleaning of the pump stations

• and the wells

• as well as our odor control

• contract.

• We do have odor control in two of our pump stations.

Just to I had to read that line twice to realize it was good news.

Yes. It is good news. Yeah. Yeah. Plus it's the sewers of Yeah. Reducing the funding for the cleaning of the pump station and and odor control, but that means we we have it under control. Yes. Exact yeah. We're not doing less of it. We're just doing that.

• So that's our

• presentation

• for the EPW

• budget.

• Do we have any questions?

Great presentation. And I I would just say, you know, the

• the the guidance that you give us, you know, on, you know, each one of the 18 or 20 accounts, very helpful just in terms of the the insights on the on the individual accounts. Appreciate that. And as well as your as well as your presentation. And in fact, just as

• trustee Nachtaylor was indicating,

• we're we're looking forward to talking with you about the capital program because that's so important.

• Yes. And you guys have,

• obviously, the largest chunk of it.

I'm looking forward to your return. That'd a good discussion. Return in a few weeks. You'll be back. I don't know if you covered this before I got here, but I do know that trustee Nicholson said that she had sent some comments in. Did did you do that already? I did. I mean, I I just I was just saying, you know, I'm interested to hear what her input is. So Sure. If you can share it. I assume

that she will be fine if I share her

• her email.

I appreciate her

• perspective, so that's the only reason I'm asking.

I did go over this with superintendent,

• so he's aware of this.

• She her her questions were mainly about the park's budget.

• Yeah. She she had questioned why the contractual expenses

• were decreasing.

• So as we discussed, it was mainly because of the

• cost of the aerator being removed because that ultimately was not installed.

• You know, she wanted to just voice her support for the increase

• of the

• forty one forty line, which was the, park improvements,

• the benches and the fence fencing and the lights because of the request from the RAC.

• She had a similar question to trustee Nachtaller about the personnel services being in fifty one ten, so we answered that question.

• And then, she had a question about the capital projects, which we're not really talking about tonight, but she was just

• wanting to see if

• lot g would be paved after the drainage was installed.

• And that's our plan is to try to do as much paving of that as the funds allow

• after after the drainage work is done. Okay. Thank you. Yep.

Thank you.

Alright. Any other questions? Well,

thank you so very much. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Alright. Have a good night. You. Have a good night. Thanks thanks for today, the whole day. Yeah. Oh, thanks. No problem.

Scott, are you going back there? Yeah. John John, unfortunately, that's why he wasn't here tonight. John's over there Yeah. With all the guys. So we're gonna swing back around, and we're gonna go how that goes.

• How we're gonna sell in. Place. Use the waters back on you. We did not cut the John Burchard budget in his No. No. When you tell him you did. Yeah.

Oh, go ahead. I just want to mess with him. Yeah.

• Was a close vote.

• Thanks, guys. Good night. Good night.

Alright.

• We have a late breaking addition to the agenda manager.

Sure.

• As we usually do, I'll read the resolution first, and then we'll open it for discussion. Okay?

• Whereas the colonel Hudson Police Department has been investigating the implementation of a police department body worn camera program,

• and whereas implementation of a police body worn camera program

• has to support of the village's police advisory committee. Whereas proposals for such a program were solicited from Axon Enterprise and Motorola Solutions.

• Whereas members of the police department have been using cameras from both companies on a trial basis over the past few months. And whereas after reviewing the proposals and receiving feedback from the department, chief of police, John Nick Toplis, has requested to move forward with the proposal from Axon Enterprise.

• And whereas the camera program from Axon Enterprise includes translation services

• and will integrate with the department issued tasers.

• Whereas the camera program will also include dash cameras that activate when the vehicle's emergency lights activate.

• Whereas the equipment is available through New York state contract number PM69698

• and complies with the village's procurement policy. Whereas the funding for the first year of the program will be covered through the law enforcement technology grant received last year from New York State. Now therefore be it resolved that the village board of trustees hereby authorizes the village manager to accept the proposal from Axon Enterprise in the amount of $114,301.36.

Hello? Do I have the motion? And then we'll have the chief speak. You just so moved. Motion by trustee Simon. Second?

Second. Second by trustee Slippin. And, chief, do you have anything you wanna share? Well, I mean, I just wanted to say that, you know, we have,

• embarked on this body cam project because of the request from the board and the PAC committee,

• many

• years ago with police reform.

• Over the past several years, we have kept applying for grants, we finally got one last year.

• Actually, it was a year before.

• And we have started the process of checking

• the cam checking the cameras, see what we like better, having some of the guys wear them as, you know, the village manager wrote up.

• And the grant we did get will cover pretty much the first two years. I think there's maybe 3 or $4,000

• that's not covered in it.

• We should have gotten

• we should have gotten a 163,000

• in that grant,

• tech grant. So that should cover the first two years.

• If we sign this contract,

• it's

• a non appropriations contract. So if you decide in the next few weeks not to fund it in the capital project,

• we're not out any money. But if we do this,

• we're saving 75,000.

• Yeah. So it's a big difference.

• So,

• you know, like I said, we, we like the Axon product better. Most of the surrounding departments use them.

• They can talk to each other if we're ever in a situation with a department outside.

• All the cameras will go on when they need to, and,

• you know, they're there to protect the village and department.

• So

• I guess I'm asking you to approve it. And

I I I just wanna apologize

• for the lateness of this being brought to the board's attention because there was miscommunication between myself and the chief as to when this needed to be

• sent back to Axon. So I thought that we had a little more time, so I apologize for not having this on the agenda

• of at last night's board meeting. So but because of the sizable

• amount of money that we stand to save, I I thought it was worthwhile to

• bring it to the board's attention this evening.

• And, like the chief was saying, we do have a a window of time where

• if you receive you know, if you wanted to put it on a future agenda to just solicit feedback from the public and if you wanted to ultimately,

• change your mind,

• you would have time to do that, and we would not be out any money.

So So as you, you know, when when you told us it was coming on the agenda today, you know, I I did call you and express the fact that I this is the type of item that I would you know, the PAC has talked about this a lot.

• You know, we talked about it even just at the last Yeah. Meeting. I'm the liaison to the PAC, so, you know, I've been there for those conversations.

• At the last meeting, the chief did share that you tested out both

• companies, and this was a company that you this was what you preferred.

• And I was able to connect with

• Carolyn

• Whiting just to make sure that I just wanted I wanted people to know that this was happening and we were voting on it tonight because it came on pretty late.

• So I don't

• I don't I'm not uncomfortable with this for all the reason you know, PAC is in favor of it. Police,

• department is in favor of it. Chief is in favor of it.

• But I do really feel strongly that I want the community to be able to,

• comment on this if they want to at a public meeting. So I just wanna make sure I hear what you're saying that we can we have to do you know, my original request to you was, can we not do this today? Can we just can we ask them to hold it over until At night. The ninth? And I appreciate you doing that. You had a crazy day.

• But I do just wanna make sure that if people want to ask questions about it,

• or make a comment about it, I do wanna make sure that we put it on at the next meeting Yes. With plenty of time to,

• be able to to get out. So I don't know. I know you're saying we can get out of it. I just wanna it you know, it it doesn't say that in the resolution. I guess it doesn't have to, but I just do wanna make sure that

• $75,000

• is a lot of money Yeah. To not,

• you know, to not move forward with.

• But I I I do just wanna make sure that

• we're very it's official that if we wanna get out, we can get out. So however that is, we can make that

• caveat.

The contract the contract, it spells out in the contract. And

• Right. I did confirm that with the account rep about Okay. Twenty minutes before this meeting started. Yeah. Okay. Alright. That's perfect. That was just as you know, that was my concern earlier today.

I had voices similar

• concern.

• Didn't even chat with you about it, but

• to to the

• and it was more not it was it was totally supportive of this. It's just

• I had to get through reading all the budget materials, and I just didn't have the time to

• even read the proposal. So it's great that we worked out a solution here and we could,

• you know, hit the savings and

• still put it on an agenda.

• My ask is, I I think

• for anyone that might have any questions,

• I'm assuming that they might be along the lines of how the data

• in the camera might be used. So

if there is somebody who can speak to that, who's present in the meeting go over that now. I'm I mean, these cameras record

• when they're put on. They they will automatically go on if the taser's drawn. That's why we wanna get the axe on the same one. We'll also have a switch on the

• weapon holster. They'll come on then.

• The body cameras

• can be put on and off by the officer,

• but they will automatically go on if there's an issue with a with a taser or or a weapon.

• The cameras that are in the cars will automatically

• go on when emergency lighting is put on.

• And they also

• as much as they don't record

• when they're not in use,

• they kinda do a little bit because if when we turn them on, you'll pick up thirty seconds before

• the start time. So if I hit the button now, it'll go back thirty seconds and show you the video for that thirty seconds before I put the camera on. That's about the only way they save.

• As far as where this goes, most of this is gonna be for discovery for court and stuff like that.

• If we get complaints about an officer, we'll be able to review

• and see if the complaint is legitimate or not. We can use them for training purposes and stuff if that be the case, and,

• you know, that's really oh, they're they're pretty

• high-tech, but they're kinda simple. And, you know, they are going to increase the demand on

• discovery and and workload downstairs

• because

• anybody's that's involved, the DA is gonna want the body cameras for discovery. So, you know, it's gonna increase our workload too. But,

• you know, I mean, that's part of

Chief policing in today's day and age. Yeah. Yeah. Chief, I was wondering what

• you know, of course, this will be in in our capital plan, the actual funding. But what's Axon telling you in terms of delivery time?

We're probably once we once we actually get the funding in in June, we're gonna actually be able to order these now once the contract is signed. So

• production takes a while. I'm hoping maybe we can have these in use by October, November, you know, before the end of the year. Pretty good. That's that's our hope. But That's better than the four years for a fire engine, I can Oh, yeah. Yes. How do the officers feel about it?

• I think they're split, to be honest with you.

• I don't wanna say fifty fifty, maybe 75,

• 25.

• But In which? You know? No. I mean, I I think most officers don't care. You know, they're there more to protect us than hurt us. I mean, we get very few complaints.

• And the ones that we do get now, we'll be able to determine whether it's actual or not right away.

So, you know And I do have I have a meeting scheduled tomorrow actually with the the PBI to discuss this. Okay. So I just wanna make sure because it did it felt like it I know it has been being discussed for a while, but this hap felt like it happened very quickly. So I don't put 75,000

now. And I don't know if I'm right on the $75.25.

• I don't know. You, but, you know, I mean, no matter if you're may find out, they're familiar with You know, if that's if if this is gonna impact morale, I think that's important to know. Listen. It may it may not. But, you know Right. Even jobs that it did affect morale, like I said, I mean, you know, you get a complaint against you that you know you didn't do, and now we can prove it right away and put it to bed. I mean, it it protects the officer as well as I mean, just I was interested in the information. I didn't I didn't have an expectation of I can't give you exactly where we're split. Yeah. That's fine. And I think, you know, not not minimizing anyone's concerns on if if they have them, but

• chief, wouldn't you say this has really become standard in in most departments? It it is. We're probably one of the few departments in the county that don't have doesn't use them at this point.

• So,

• you know, like I said, I don't my personally, I'm not scared of them. I think they're gonna help protect us more than hurt us.

• You know? So,

• you know, I think they're a they're a good thing.

• And and I think, like I said, for most departments that were a little leery about them when they first got them, I think they've probably helped most departments.

• So

• you know?

Okay. And so,

• when I spoke with Carolyn Whiting today, who's the,

• chair of PAC is she the chair? Is that the correct title?

• She just said she would share this information with

• with PAC, and if they had any feedback,

• she would be sure to get it to us within the timeline Yes. So that in case there was a reason to rethink this. Yeah. She would you know, I made her aware. It was it's June 15 is the day is the deadline. Right. So she said that PAC would work within that timeline in case they had any feedback that would be relevant. Yeah. Mean, I As you said, we just talked about it and we But really have there are there are some new people. I just wanted to Yeah. You know, if anybody wants to say anything, I want them to be able to have the space to do it. No. Yeah. And I I did I also talked with Yeah. Carolyn as So,

you know, I I told her she could share whatever she you know, if she heard anything, that would be fine. So but yeah.

• You know, we have this we have in the past put

• resolutions that we've adopted at work sessions on the agenda. So Sure. We just put it in a in a separate agenda item approved resolutions. And then that way, if somebody wants to comment on it,

it can I don't anticipate that anybody would want to? I just make sure People should have the opportunity. Absolutely. Yes. I appreciate it. Because I as I said, I know you had a busy day and me asking you these annoying questions at 05:00 was annoying, but I appreciate it. No problem.

Well, thank you, chief and Thank you, chief. Manager for your diligence Thank you. Catching this oversight. Yep.

• Right. All in favor? Aye.

• And thank you to the board for your flexibility and making sure we realize this discount.

Alright. Yep. Alright. Thank you all. Thank you. Have a good night.