And further she knoweth not well whether she heard from Livingston or her husband or from Jor: Aersen -- she, however, heard one of the three say that Livingston had also said that divers English subjects had run away from England to Holland; also, let him but come to England he shall there find as good soldiers as he shall bring with him, and she further saith not. Thus, in Alby 1 April 1690

Present. J Bruyn Joh Provoost Joh Wendel

Reyer Schermerhooren of the county of Albany, aged about 38 years being sworn before M' Johannis Wendel, Justus of the Peace, declares that he was last harvest at Sweer Teunissens van Velsen's

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bouse at Schanhegtade, where Joris Aersen, Capt Sander Glen, Job Glen & Myndert Wemp were present, and that then Jorls Aersen was asked if be had heard Rob* Livingston Say that the Prince of Orange (who is our King of England &ca) -y^as the head of the Rebels who invaded England with the Prince A" 1688. Whereupon the aforesaid Jor: Aersen answered, No -- I did not hear Livingston say so ; but he said this -- that in the declaration which the Late King James issued against the Hollanders be had read that the Prince was declared to be the Head of the Rebels -- Whereupon Meyndert Wemp again said in the presence of the aforesaid Company -- Remember this well ; for Joris Aersen shall yet make these words good ; and said, further, that he will note down in his book the words which Joris aforesaid has there stated. And further he saith not. Thus in Alby this l^t April 1690